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Pre-Cat Semi-Failed, Now What???

2.8K views 11 replies 8 participants last post by  carlbecker  
#1 ·
I recently brought a 2001 MR2 with 99,000 miles on the chassis with ~ 60,000 on a Toyota replaced engine and a Matrix 6-Speed. The engine runs good and the transmission shift perfectly, however there is a ticking sound from the right hand side of the engine as speed builds up.

The first weekend I got the car, I did an oil change and new spark plugs to make sure it pass smog in Cali. The car did pass, however when I got home after the smog to check the O2 sensors, I noticed that one of the pre-cat has about 1/3 of the ceramic gone (Pictures attached below). Having that information, I ordered the CHE exhaust manifold to replace the OEM unit, but I still have a couple questions:

1) How do I know if the engine is damaged?
2) What can I do to prevent further damage to the engine?
3) How can I locate the missing piece of the ceramic, assuming it is still in a solid form, not dusk particles?
4) Should I replace the main cat?
5) Worst-case scenario, how much would a shop charges for labor and parts to replace the engine (Stock 1zz)?

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Thanks in Advance!
 
#3 ·
what did the plugs look like when you pulled the original set? Have you done a compression check? What does oil look AND smell like? Do you have a feel for oil consumption? Had the exhaust manifold been previously removed?
The catalyst material would go downstream and it appears to me like someone tried to purposefully remove the material rather than the catalyst deteriorated(but there are others here who would be better judges than me on that issue).
What you dont want is clogged catalytic converters which cause backpressure into the motor affecting the piston rings. There is no simple fix for that problem. Pull the secondary cat and see what happened to that precat material. It has to be somewhere in the system unless someone made a very poor effort to gut the cat YMMV
 
#4 ·
Clean out the main cat and then use a screw driver and hammer to finish the job on the precats. Put it back together and drive it. Any damage done is already done and you really can't fix it. There is a reason everyone here says the first thing you should do after buying a 2000-2002 MR2 is gut the pre-cats.
 
#6 ·
First of all thanks for everyone's quick responds.

I have the downpipe off the car, but I don't really understand how I should "clean" it, especially since I can't see the condition of the cat interior. How do I "clean" the main cat?
 
#7 ·
You're worried about nothing. If the car's going to burn oil, the primary cause is not going to be because of the cats. Early 1zz's have a known piston ring issue. On Corollas. On Celicas. On MR2's. Keep feeding it oil and it'll be ok for at least a 2xx,xxx k miles.. Put back a little money every month and by the time the engine craps out you can swap in a 2zz and have a great sports car.
 
#10 ·
You're worried about nothing. If the car's going to burn oil, the primary cause is not going to be because of the cats. Early 1zz's have a known piston ring issue. On Corollas. On Celicas. On MR2's. Keep feeding it oil and it'll be ok for at least a 2xx,xxx k miles.. Put back a little money every month and by the time the engine craps out you can swap in a 2zz and have a great sports car.
Not if the precat material is clogging the main cat.
 
#9 ·
Personally I would back flush the main cat after removing it from the car. More so to reduce backpressure than anything else. The two early 1ZZ cars I have owned both burn oil without having anything to do with the precat (the Corolla did not have a precat). There are many claims of precat causing terminal damage to the 1ZZ after they disintegrate. Do kept a close eye on oil level, some don't and the 1ZZ dies.